The Masterpiece line, from roughly MP-10 onward, has gone in the opposite direction, making heavy use of the in-fiction scale of the G1 cartoon - but only in robot modes. Originally, the intent was apparently to make the popular Optimus and Megatron characters available at lower price points than just the large and expensive "Leader" class, so that children with less money would not miss out, and perhaps persuading completist-minded collectors to buy multiple versions of one character. Broadside transforms from an Earth fighter jet of indeterminate model (let's pretend for the sake of argument that he's supposed to be an F-14 and say he's 18 meters (61 feet) long) into an entire aircraft carrier, approximately 333 meters (1,092 feet) long. He should be able to carry all his teammates in his bed, with some crowding. Among other changes, Blast Off's initial release was a significantly smaller jet, Swindle's tiny steering wheel suggests him to be around the same size as Brawl, Long Haul is significantly bigger than his team, and Groove is a much smaller Legends Class figure, while newcomer Rook takes his place as one of Defensor's limbs. The Alternators toyline, where every toy is a 1:24-scale representation of a real car, and thus in perfect scale with each other, was the first to buck the trend. Non-show characters such as Spinister used other media, namely IDW Publishing. Since when were the kids as small as tires? Whereas Fortress Maximus includes a Headmaster figure of Spike, who turns into the head of Cerebros (whose toy is roughly the same size as the regular 1987 Headmasters toys), who in turn becomes the head of Fortress Maximus, Scorponok merely comes with Zarak (whose figure is the same size as Fortress Maximus's Spike), who turns into a tiny head for Scorponok, covered up by a large helmet. The disparity becomes even more obvious with Mini Vehicles such as Warpath (a tank) and Seaspray (a hovercraft), who should be many times their actual size. The Marvel comics commonly sidestepped this issue by not using Transformers as transport characters, or else requiring the passengers to transform into their explicitly smaller forms to be carried. Instead, he turns his attentions to rebuilding the Omega Lock. For example, on the cover of the first issue of the original Transformers comics series, Optimus Prime is extremely huge compared to the highway, bridge, and normal cars (Laserbeak is bigger than usual, too). Though they were sometimes ignored, they still give insight into the official scale of characters in Generation 1. While they're not shown next to humans in their jet and helicopter modes, their on-screen transformations do not indicate any notable size increase. The Masterpiece line, seemingly partly in homage to the heady days of Diaclone, also frequently includes characters like Spike that end up not too far off the Diaclone drivers in scale next to the vehicles they're meant to be driving. Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise), Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Unicron: Jupiter-sized (so approximately 140,000km in diameter). Size of G1 Transformers vary between cartoon episodes or comics. These Titans often have "small" robots forming vital components. The fact that his outer shell was now much smaller than the inner robot was quietly ignored. (And they were never gonna make a properly screen-accurate-scale Scavenger, though a Commander Class figure was in the works, but was canned, bummer.). Although this was intended to show that the planet was technological in nature, it makes little sense, as the structures would have to be the size of small nations to be visible. The cast of Beast Wars were size-tweaked quite a bit, relative to the toyline. One possible reason for this is that one of them would be considerably smaller than the other one in real life if they were perfectly in scale. Full-Tilt, Six-Gun, and Slammer must logically be building-sized in robot mode to be in-scale with Trypticon and Metroplex, but, again, are not drawn as such. Cassette characters such as Rumble's toys are roughly the same height as most Minibots, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized. Do you find it accurate? In Transformers: Fall of Cybertron, Metroplex is portrayed not so much as the city, but a part of the city; with one hand being large enough to carry Optimus or crush Megatron. This is actually slightly more believable than all other series, in which the Transformers use mass shifting to make their alt-modes the right size. A minority also lamented that the expensive animation budgeted the number of character models they could render, and thus led to a relatively small cast and an isolated setting. Some of the citybot toys have visible windows, which are too large for a city, suggesting instead a medium-sized building. The line eschewed Micromasters and Battle . Triple Changers create a whole new set of problems. Most such instances occur in the Beast Wars era. There have been a few toy lines that attempt to address this weirdness and try to present scale in a much more consistent manner, however though issues still pop up in virtually every one. Autobot Outpost Omega Oneis located in a convertedmissilesilo inNevadaprovided by theUnited Statesgovernment, with Special AgentWilliam Fowleracting as their liaison. Multiple-scale characters usually aren't meant to cross-interact. The movie universe characters aren't immune to scale issues, either; the Dinobots are way out of proportion compared to their real-life counterparts; such as Strafe (who is far too big for a Pteranodon compared to his allies), and Scorn (who isn't quite as problematic; though a real Spinosaurus had shorter legs, making his proportions more of an issue than actual scale). It's not perfect but hey, what're you going to do? Before the Great War, Optimus Prime was originally known as Orion Pax; a young data clerk who worked in Iacon, under the wing of Alpha Trion. This page was last modified on 3 April 2023, at 16:04. Transformers Movie 1 15th Anniversary Multi-pack, at US$141.99 War for Cybertron Trilogy War for Cybertron: Siege . In another variation of this, Prime Predaking is a colossal monster in beast mode that even the upgraded Optimus Prime can barely look in the chest, but transforms into a beefy robot a head or two taller than Megatron. The Generation 1 Marvel comic is notorious for changing the relative sizes of various characters. Many Transformers are portrayed in fiction as having alternate modes that are smaller than the real-life objects they are imitating. Combiners are also often out-of-scale with other Transformers; a combiner with cars for legs and another car for its torso should be slightly less than three times as tall as a one-car Transformer, even when taking the alteration of their body parts into account, but they are routinely drawn as five to dozens of times taller than their comrades. Another interesting example is Lockdown. Even aside from their deformed penny-racer proportions, a Porsche 924 Micro Change toy is disproportionately tiny when compared to a Porsche 935 Diaclone toy. A few pages later, Laserbeak picks up Soundwave out of the human's hands, being barely able to hold the tape deck in his mouth, making Laserbeak about the size of a large dog (not counting the wings). These out-of-proportion vehicle parts were necessary to give his robot mode show-accurate proportions. I've gotten MULTIPLE production charts from here in North America and from sources in Japan! Transformers: The Headmasters scale charts: Shouki: 5 m Razorclaw: 5.5 m Mindwipe: 5.5 m Highbrow: 5.5 m Springer: 6 m Weirdwolf: 6 m Skullcruncher: 6 m Hardhead: 6 m Cerebros: 6 m Brainstorm: 6 m Ultra Magnus: ~7 m Cyclonus: 7 m Sixshot: 7 m Raiden: ~16 m Predaking: 16 m Dreamwave Generation One continuity: The Nemesis Length: 2.5 miles In the Aligned continuity, the Thirteenth Prime is better known as Optimus Prime, the current leader of the Autobots and protector of the universe. Qualities particularly celebrated include the cinematography, visuals and animation, voice acting (including the return ofPeter CullenandFrank Welkerto the roles of Optimus Prime and Megatron, something the actors themselves rejoiced over), and characterization. Transformers Prime Scale Chart + Screenshots I made a comparison for all the characters in Prime so far and their scale/heights. Considering our ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this is not extremely wrong, but it deserves noting. This is purely for dramatic effect. This concept is lampshaded in the credits of War for Cybertron, where Bumblebee pulls up, and the entire Autobot cast of the game step out of his passenger door, clown car style. Conversely, the Marvel Comics depict the Micromasters merely as a little smaller than the likes of Bumblebee or Cliffjumper. He's drawn large because he's a leader character. Though the Recon Team all originate from Gigantion, and seeing how partnered Mini-Cons seem to change size to fit their larger companions, a little size shift to accommodate a passenger doesn't seem too far-fetched compared to other scale issues. For example, Cosmos is much shorter than Blaster in robot form; yet Blaster easily fits within his spacecraft mode. Sometimes, they are even out of scale in their own team; Bruticus's torso is an anti-aircraft truck, while one of his limbs is a Space Shuttle and another is a two-person offroad vehicle. The Micromasters are explicitly downsized Transformers, roughly the size of a human in the comics, meaning that they should have explicitly tiny vehicle modes which wouldn't make for very convincing disguises. Even if a size was decided on, it often didn't remain consistent. The Autobots and Decepticons temporarily joined forces to retake Cybertron and prevent Earth's destruction, and with Starscream's help, they deactivated the Combaticons once they formed Bruticus through a failsafe device built into the treacherous giant's back. After Megatron's revival, Starscream flees after showing he is unable to prove his loyalty to theDecepticon leader. Devastator's size is particularly confusing. The movie-franchise toys, meanwhile, are only intermittently consistent (particularly since some of the secondary ones are redecos of toys from previous lines), with the largest contrast among the "primary" toys being between Deluxe Class Arcee, a motorcycle, and Voyager Class Decepticons with helicopters as their alternate modes, such as Blackout and Incinerator. The scale of characters such as the original Dinobots, Hot Rod or Leobreaker is fairly arbitrary and can only be estimated by their relative size to other characters within the fiction, although most fiction is highly inconsistent in this regard (see below). The height of the cartoon's Skyfire, just to name one, frequently varied between episodes. However, thanks to the scaling up of the arthropod characters, it is relatively safe to assume that the Transformers generally scanned only animal forms and then rescaled them to fit their own size - additionally, they were not so much attempting to disguise themselves, as to protect themselves from an excess of Energon. Indeed, given that the lines all share a 1:24 scale, they actually scale well with each other. One of the more popular play patterns in the line's history is that of the driver figure: a small figure, usually a human or one of the various -Master configurations, who is capable of fitting inside the figure and driving it. For example, the original Air Raid transforms into an F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of the original Starscream's. although it saw a line-wide price increase in later waves. The early Generation 1 toy line, especially the pre-movie releases, were rebranded and redecoed toys from several different Japanese toy lines. History. This Scale is not 100% considered accurate, but I tried my best, base on m Scale in G1 Transformers is inconsistent to put it mildly. Height Chart | Transformers Prime: RP Transformers Prime: RP Transformers Prime: RP OOC Fun stuff Height Chart Members Search We are a literate, intermediate to advanced AU Transformers RPG Based off of the first season of TFP with dashes of other incarnations sprinkled here or there. (NOTE: unfinalized models, scale may not be final), A much larger, black and white version of the the Decepticon scale chart, Autobot scale chart from the film's DVD(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Decepticon scale chart from the film's DVD(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Scale for Devastator and Constructicons(NOTE: uses concept art, scale may not be final), Blackarachnia scale references for season 1, Scale chart from Transformers Animated: How to Draw, Scale chart page published in The AllSpark Almanac II, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee scale within the game, Omega Supreme next to Optimus Prime and Bumblebee within the game, Trypticon and Omega Supreme to scale within the game, Character model size comparison for Bumblebee, Omega Supreme and Trypticon, "Epic height" scale chart from Activision, https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Scale_charts&oldid=1685585. Basicly what the tital says, its the Transfromers Prime Height Chart, its just a rough guess, but it holds most of the TFP and TFPBH cast hight and you could also use this for the TFA and TF-Films Rated: Fiction K - English - Words: 445 - Reviews: 9 - Favs: 18 - Follows: 8 - Published: 5/16/2013 - id: 9297736 New and altered characters in later seasons were generally more consistent in size (and appearance) with the toys. This is a visual cheat so the glasses are visible to the audience, and other visual cheats to make the robots seem shorter or taller were used in the movies. Fan Art. What do you think of the size of certain characters in the show? Octane's original body transforms from a 20-meter (60-foot) tanker truck into a 65-meter (200-foot) jumbo jet. With this new body, Silas destroys his own organization and attempts to join the Decepticons, only to becomeKnock Out's new dissection study. There's also Blackjack and Powerglide, both of whom are smaller than their teammates when the former should be the same size and the latter larger. From his newly-erected fortressDarkmount, Megatron reestablishes contact withShockwave, learning the scientist has cloned aPredaconfor the intent of hunting down the Autobots. ), yet he's an ordinary-sized trooper in his robot form. Ladies' Night It can even happen within the same issue without an artist change: In IDW's Spotlight: Soundwave, there's a scene where a human picks up Soundwave in his tape deck mode, which is smaller than a thick comic book slipcase in his hands. For another example, the Marvel comics portrayed the Pretenders as literal interpretations of their toys: 60-foot humans with full-scale Transformers inside. Diaclone figures such as Optimus Prime, Prowl and Hound are more-or-less in correct scale with each other (though problems already arise with Sunstreaker and Sideswipe, whose alternate modes are based on the same car yet are not quite the same size), but many of the Mini Vehicles from the New Microman line are clearly far too small by comparison. As actual real-life cities can sprawl for many miles, a Titan that can notionally house a population of humans, let alone Transformers, should have a robot mode that'd make Godzilla look like a gecko. The most noticeable problem is Optimus Primal, who has an Ultra toy (the "level four" size, almost twice the size of the "level three" Mega next-largest Maximal toys), but is shorter than both Dinobot and Rhinox (both of whom are "level two" Deluxe sized toys). Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Jason Park, background design for "Orion Pax, Part 3". Devastates them right in the mouth. He's drawn small because he's a human-friendly character, and a junior member of the Autobots. Animators and comic book artists received official scale guides showing relative and (in some cases) absolute heights. Ravage-Cassette tape. Transformers: Prime is a multiple Daytime Emmy Award-winning CGI-animated television series that premiered on The Hub on November 26, 2010 with a five-part mini-series, which was followed by a full season beginning on February 11, 2011. Furthermore, the Dreamwave miniseries Micromasters suggested that the Micromasters were scaled down to interact more easily with "smaller beings". Though the keys are successfully gathered, Megatron gains possession of them and attempts to use the Omega Lock tocyberformEarth, forcing Optimus to destroy the Lock to save Earth. Transformers, the toyline based on the 2007 live-action movie, retains many size classes from before: Legends Class, at US$4. That these toys represent hyper-evolved beings most of the time make it all the more head-scratch-inducing. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! Conversely, if a new toy based on such a character is designed to be more in scale with other toys, such as 2008 Universe Ultra Class Powerglide or 2010 Transformers Voyager Class Sea Spray, some fans complain because they expect those new toys to reflect the original toys' sizes and, by extension, the depiction in fiction. Where would we keep it? In the U.S. toy commercials, Grimlock, Bumblebee, and Jazz in their new Pretender forms were small enough to fit in Powermaster Optimus Prime's hand. The Titans Return version of Broadside actually makes it worse: The figure includes tiny versions of the Aerialbots (styled specifically after their Combiner Wars alternate modes) to place on various spots on his aircraft carrier mode, but at the same time this Broadside is also a Headmaster with a Titan Master figure that can ride inside his jet mode's cockpit, arguably making the Titan Master alone larger than the Combiner Wars Aerialbots' Superion gestalt form if scale were to be taken at face value and yet the entire play pattern of the Titans Return line explicitly calls for Broadside and his Titan Master Blunderbuss to be compatible and interchangeable with any other figure and Titan Master in the line, most of whom are supposed to be much smaller in scale. 2y. Beast Wars likewise had an official scale guide, which appeared as a bonus on the DVD set of Season 2. For example, Optimus Prime can hold both Sam and Mikaela in one hand. While the two initially have their own customized muscle car alt-modes with no scaling issues, inconsistencies begin to appear as soon as they scan secondary airborne vehicle modes. Autobot scale chart for The Transformers: The Movie Chart of planets seen in The Movie relative to Earth Season 3 scale for Rodimus, Predaking, Trypticon and Metroplex Unicron compared to Jupiter, Metroplex next to the Akashi Kaikyo Bridge from Hobby Japan Seasons 1 & 2 scales published in The Ark The Headmasters cartoon A panel in the "Time Wars" arc shows Goldbug, Ironhide, Scattershot, and Swoop all the same height. save. Therefore, Rhinox is a rather small rhinoceros (he's roughly the correct size for a Sumatran rhinoceros, but seriously undersized for a white rhinoceros, the two living species of rhinos with two horns and more or less the same head shape as his beast-mode), and Optimus Primal is a roughly normal gorilla. Megatron responds by destroying the Autobot base, and Optimus is mortally wounded staying behind to ensure everyone else escapes through theGroundBridge. Starscream's robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade legs, so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus. Transformers Size Comparison ANIMATION 2021 Optimus PRIME - YouTube 0:00 / 2:45 Transformers Size Comparison ANIMATION 2021 Optimus PRIME Rain G. 354K subscribers Join Subscribe 801 82K views. Sometimes this is deliberate, allowing them to match their toy scale and/or be of a similar size to other characters; in other cases, it is essentially an artistic error. The Legends Class version of Devastator only adds another dump truck for the torso, which doesn't really improve things since all the individual components are still more or less the same size. Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Kirk Van Wormer, storyboard art for "Nemesis Prime". However, that presents problems with some characters, such as Sideways (motorcycle) being the same size as Thrust (jet), especially if you assume Mirror is meant to be the size of a human. The Beast Machines' toyline was far worse in size discrepancies with the cartoon. Some of these were published in the character model guides The Ark and The Ark II. In panel art, characters are usually visible (albeit small) compared to him but even if they only came up to his foot, they'd still have to be dozens of meters taller than they really are to even show up on panel. So in Hasbro terms, a Deluxe-sized fighter jet and a Deluxe-sized motorcycle are both considered the same "scale". In terms of toys, the Studio Series line is designed to more-or-less avert these scale issues, as each figure is sized in relation to other toys, even in the same size class; Deluxe #18 Bumblebee is shorter than Deluxe Jazz and #01 Bumblebee, who are in turn shorter than Deluxe Ratchet and Lockdown. This is sometimes reflected in the choice of vehicle or the design of their robot mode. two cars or two planes), but are not quite in scale with each other. Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by Bountyan, Oct 23, 2011. most news articles say prime is 50ft tall, also interesting is that if you saw rotf in IMAX, the forest scene is in proper scale it would be in real life. Published: Feb 3, 2015 56 Favourites 9.7K Views autobots bulkhead bumblebee optimusprime prowl ratchet tfasari tfatransformers This is a size+power chart of the main Autobots (+Sari). Meanwhile, the Autobots have to guard Jack, Miko, and Raf, three kids who've . The Generations update of Cybertron Metroplex in the Legacy toyline similarly accomplished broadly show accurate scaling with regular Deluxe and Voyager class figures by bumping him up a size class or three with a new Titan class toy. There is also a great deal of praise given to the serious, more mature storytelling ofPrimethat had not been attempted in Transformers media sinceBeast Machines. [4] Thus, Optimal Optimus is ungodly tall in his first appearance, later reduced to perhaps two times the height of the rest of the cast. In one story, the Pretender Cloudburst exited his shell, transformed into jet mode, and then his shell (and Landmine) boarded him as a passenger. Similarly, the Constructicons, despite also coming from the Diaclone line, are too small, in particular Long Haul, whose alternate mode is an "earth mover" type of dump truck, which are gigantic in real life. Predacons Rising concluded the show on October 4, 2013 and a follow up TV series called Transformers: Robots in Disguise aired on Cartoon Network in the United . Something's off about Bumblebee, Cliffjumper and Wheeljack. Since the size changing seen in the fiction is not possible for real toys (at least, that's what Takara wants us to think), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes. The following line, Earthrise, even went so far as to make Deluxe Cliffjumper considerably smaller all around than the other Deluxes, but filled out his price tag with his giant bazooka accessory. In fact when the Combaticons form him in Chapter X they are clearly swelling in size. Scale issues abound within the fiction, especially the original The Transformers cartoon. This also presents clear problems with similar figures whose gimmick suggests interaction, such as Headmasters or Mini-Cons. The newer versions of Astrotrain and Octane (aka "Tankor"), while changing the specifics of their alternate modes, really don't improve on the general size disparity all that much. File:Transformers Prime- Beast Hunters Intro, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Outstanding Performer In An Animated Program -Peter CullenasOptimus Prime, Outstanding Directing In An Animated Program -David Hartman, Supervising Director;Shaunt Nigoghossian;Todd Waterman;Vinton Heuck;Susan Blu, Voice Director, Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Vince Toyama, Background Designer, Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Christophe Vacher, Colour Designer, Outstanding Achievement in Music Direction And Composition -Brian Tyler, Outstanding Writing In Animation -Duane Capizzi, Writer/Producer;Steven Melching;Nicole Dubuc;Joseph Kuhr;Marsha Griffin, Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing (Animation) - Robbi Smith, Dialogue Editor, Robert Poole II, Sound Effects Editor, Roy Braverman, Foley Editor, Outstanding Achievement in Sound Mixing (Animation) - Ray Leonard, Re-Recording Mixer, Mike Bieriger, Re-Recording Mixer, Outstanding Special Class Animated Program -Roberto Orci,Stephen Davis,Shuzo Shiota,Alex Kurtzman,Jeff Kline,Duane Capizzi,Mandy Safavi,Rafael Ruthchild,Shinji Santoh,Meiko Sato,Therese Trujillo, Outstanding Directing in an Animated Program -David Hartman,Vinton Heuck,Shaunt Nigoghossian,Todd Waterman,Jamie Simone, Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation -Christophe Vacher. Notably, Optimus Prime gains an extra twelve feet when he wears a corpse. The final line in the trilogy, Kingdom introduced Beast Wars characters into the mix, which hoooo boy. By using information fromVector Sigmadownloaded to theKey, Jack restores Optimus's memory. The vehicle modes were (supposedly) Cybertronian vehicles which also helped ignore vehicle-mode scale issues. Comparing this shot with when he picks up Archibald Witwicky's glasses a few minutes later, it seems the glasses have lenses a foot (30cm) in diameter. Blaster becomes a human-scale radio; Megatron shrinks into a handgun scaled for either Transformer or human hands, depending on the situation. The crucial point is that the toy lines were initially unrelated. The characters should be in scale with each other as they all have real-world alternate modes that (should) pass for real vehicles. 1.2k. Numerous characters are explicitly shown to shrink or expand at various times. In "Dark Cybertron" he's shown to be about the same size as the Lost Light. (Consisted of two Toys "R" Us exclusive Cybertron redecoes.) (Weirdly, the King Kong-like size of this toy became canon in one specific micro-continuity. The characters with roleplay altmodes such as Generation 1 Megatron, Soundwave, Perceptor, or Armada Laserbeak are scaled to be real-world human-scale (well, kid-scale). Conversely, the traditionally stunted Bumblebee is marginally too tall and bulky to be in correct scale to his otherwise fairly accurate core teammates, assuming one includes Voyager Optimus and Leader Bulkhead in their lineup. I finished half of a 10th Anniversary piece for TF Prime! A few characters have "city" alternate modes. The creators of the live-action movie took great pains to avoid out-of-scale issues (well, greater than previous franchises). Whether that meant creatures of human scale or even smaller stature is never clarified, but the Micromasters' passenger compartments are presumably too small to accommodate human passengers. In fact, the size differences have even increased: The 2010 Transformers line introduced an even smaller scale for the driver figures, including new versions of Sam Witwicky and Mikaela Banes that are smaller than their Revenge of the Fallen predecessors. The Supreme size toy was so large it could not interact with most of the other toys from the line (based on the cartoon, he's maaaaybe in scale with Nightscream and Air Attack Optimus Primal, the latter of whom wasn't released until three years later). Saber is also correctly the height of the Autobot cars, resulting in him being smaller than the original toy (despite the Star Saber mode being bigger). Within the fandom, the show quickly won fans over, an impressive feat for the chronological successor to the widely lovedTransformers Animated. The Transformers: Binaltech Asterisk and Kiss Players made use of Alternators sculpts, only with added human female driver figures which were woefully small compared to the cars they came with. rlcraft uncraftable potion, motorcycle parking rules nsw,